Comments on: Cut the Drama. Flash is Here to Stay. http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/ Cutting edge development with Adobe Flex, ActionScript and AIR Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:24:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: chris http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-890 chris Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:38:12 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-890 flash isn't going anywhere fast agreed, maybe the whole web 2.0 buzz word was getting old and the anti flash / html 5 bandwagon is the latest craze. I really don't get the whole excitement over html 5 video, the vast majority of users have a hard enough time installing and even understanding what flash player is yet alone going through the process of upgrading their browser. Its only going to be widely adopted as people upgrade their systems with new OS's installed with more current browsers in them. The thing I love about flash development atm is the best cross platform experience. HTML 5 will never have that for years and years ++, especially backwards compatibility or the current market penetration of the flash player today. I just hope things get better for mac and iphone os users, sooner rather than later. flash isn’t going anywhere fast agreed, maybe the whole web 2.0 buzz word was getting old and the anti flash / html 5 bandwagon is the latest craze.

I really don’t get the whole excitement over html 5 video, the vast majority of users have a hard enough time installing and even understanding what flash player is yet alone going through the process of upgrading their browser. Its only going to be widely adopted as people upgrade their systems with new OS’s installed with more current browsers in them.

The thing I love about flash development atm is the best cross platform experience. HTML 5 will never have that for years and years ++, especially backwards compatibility or the current market penetration of the flash player today. I just hope things get better for mac and iphone os users, sooner rather than later.

]]> By: Daily Inspiration: Make Flash, Not War! | FlashComponents.Net Blog http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-621 Daily Inspiration: Make Flash, Not War! | FlashComponents.Net Blog Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:51:40 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-621 [...] kombat”, I focused on reminding myself why I love Flash and why I strongly agree with Chris Black’s point of view that “Flash is here to [...] [...] kombat”, I focused on reminding myself why I love Flash and why I strongly agree with Chris Black’s point of view that “Flash is here to [...]

]]> By: Gaurav Goel http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-618 Gaurav Goel Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:53:46 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-618 Flash did not kill JavaScript. HTML 5 will not kill Flash. HTML 5 is promising something for 2022. Flash is so awesome even today. Both will continue to evolve and complement each other... Flash did not kill JavaScript. HTML 5 will not kill Flash. HTML 5 is promising something for 2022. Flash is so awesome even today. Both will continue to evolve and complement each other…

]]> By: Michael Noga http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-610 Michael Noga Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:10:13 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-610 I also agree with you, Flash is not and will not be dead for a really long time, if ever. It certainly has it's strengths as well as its weaknesses. My bigest problem with Flash is video, it really scares me that one Comercial company has such a strangle hold with ~ 90% of video on the internet being served with Flash. I'm very happy to see large sites like Youtube and Vimeo trying out HTML5 for video. No special plug in required (just a modern browser). I also agree with you, Flash is not and will not be dead for a really long time, if ever. It certainly has it’s strengths as well as its weaknesses.

My bigest problem with Flash is video, it really scares me that one Comercial company has such a strangle hold with ~ 90% of video on the internet being served with Flash. I’m very happy to see large sites like Youtube and Vimeo trying out HTML5 for video. No special plug in required (just a modern browser).

]]> By: Bongo jim http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-608 Bongo jim Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:31 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-608 HTML5 will no doubt win the video war eventually, but that won't put flash debs out of a job. JS may win the animation side at some point but that's about it for the forseeable future and is still limited. One thing is for sure though, HTML won long before flash ever came along ;) HTML5 will no doubt win the video war eventually, but that won’t put flash debs out of a job. JS may win the animation side at some point but that’s about it for the forseeable future and is still limited.

One thing is for sure though, HTML won long before flash ever came along ;)

]]> By: Jon Rexeisen http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-606 Jon Rexeisen Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:52:25 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-606 I agree with you that Flash is not dead and it won't be dead. While the HTML5 world does continue to advance, Adobe will continue to advance the capabilities of Flash Player and will continue being the bleeding edge of interactive web content. Regardless, I'm excited to see what the HTML5 crew is up to. I love some me some Google Docs, and I'm not sure that a Flash implementation would have been as good. On the flip side, I'm fairly certain that Aviary tools would be *awful* in HTML5. I think there will be a place for both technologies in the future, working side by side to advance the web experience. Similar to how OS X and Windows keep pushing each other as well. I agree with you that Flash is not dead and it won’t be dead. While the HTML5 world does continue to advance, Adobe will continue to advance the capabilities of Flash Player and will continue being the bleeding edge of interactive web content.

Regardless, I’m excited to see what the HTML5 crew is up to. I love some me some Google Docs, and I’m not sure that a Flash implementation would have been as good. On the flip side, I’m fairly certain that Aviary tools would be *awful* in HTML5.

I think there will be a place for both technologies in the future, working side by side to advance the web experience. Similar to how OS X and Windows keep pushing each other as well.

]]> By: Chris Black http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-605 Chris Black Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:57:20 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-605 Yes, my opening paragraph was a self-serving, one-sided commentary that was a reaction to the Wired post. I did, however, follow up with real statistical data. If you would prefer to dis-agree with the historical data that is fine by me. Everyone is due to their opinion. I dislike how BOTH sides will argue until the end of time about a topic based on opinions. You can argue PHP vs. .NET until the end of days. Are either of them going to be out jobs in five years? Doubtful. I'm not attempting to argue whether Flash is better than HTML5. Just that Flash isn't going anywhere. When the job market data shows otherwise, I will be the first to post it. For now, let's put down the pitch forks and accept reality. Yes, my opening paragraph was a self-serving, one-sided commentary that was a reaction to the Wired post. I did, however, follow up with real statistical data. If you would prefer to dis-agree with the historical data that is fine by me. Everyone is due to their opinion.

I dislike how BOTH sides will argue until the end of time about a topic based on opinions. You can argue PHP vs. .NET until the end of days. Are either of them going to be out jobs in five years? Doubtful.

I’m not attempting to argue whether Flash is better than HTML5. Just that Flash isn’t going anywhere. When the job market data shows otherwise, I will be the first to post it. For now, let’s put down the pitch forks and accept reality.

]]> By: Alper http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-604 Alper Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:27:13 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-604 To name just one web development language that is practically dead: Perl. Another: ColdFusion. Yes, both are still deployed on a lot of places around the world, but they have the mind share and practical relevancy of COBOL. This is subjective of course, but Flash devs are doing the worst thing they could be doing right now. Reacting reflexively with self-serving one sided commentary. To name just one web development language that is practically dead: Perl. Another: ColdFusion. Yes, both are still deployed on a lot of places around the world, but they have the mind share and practical relevancy of COBOL.

This is subjective of course, but Flash devs are doing the worst thing they could be doing right now. Reacting reflexively with self-serving one sided commentary.

]]> By: Fernando Colaco http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-603 Fernando Colaco Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:24:57 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-603 Yep, I also had people extremely "worried" because Flash will be obsolete in less than an year and I will have no work. Specially because I resigned from my full time job 3 months ago to work exclusively in Flex/Flash. HTML 5 seems for people (specially the ones who have no idea what they are talking about) to be the big new thing and everything else is dead. I don't want to go back to the dark ages of making the same work 10 times to be sure something works similar in all browsers and then every time there's an update in any browser, here we go again. More important, clients will not want a 500% higher budget thanks to this, disregarding how hip the HTML5 buzz word is now. By the way, does anyone have any good HTML5 example for me to see? That? Hmmm, sorry, Flash did that 8 years ago... Yep, I also had people extremely “worried” because Flash will be obsolete in less than an year and I will have no work. Specially because I resigned from my full time job 3 months ago to work exclusively in Flex/Flash. HTML 5 seems for people (specially the ones who have no idea what they are talking about) to be the big new thing and everything else is dead. I don’t want to go back to the dark ages of making the same work 10 times to be sure something works similar in all browsers and then every time there’s an update in any browser, here we go again. More important, clients will not want a 500% higher budget thanks to this, disregarding how hip the HTML5 buzz word is now.

By the way, does anyone have any good HTML5 example for me to see? That? Hmmm, sorry, Flash did that 8 years ago…

]]> By: Alphaflex http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/02/01/cut-the-drama-flash-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1/#comment-601 Alphaflex Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:57:08 +0000 http://www.blackcj.com/blog/?p=682#comment-601 We just keep in the mind: few years ago when flash become a mature tech, some people sayd, "HTML and Javascript is dead...". But Javascript is not dead and HTML is ever the standart of each web project. If html 5 cover some flash features, in a short time, Flash come with new feature that HTML5 not able to cover. It's just evolution! We just keep in the mind: few years ago when flash become a mature tech, some people sayd, “HTML and Javascript is dead…”. But Javascript is not dead and HTML is ever the standart of each web project. If html 5 cover some flash features, in a short time, Flash come with new feature that HTML5 not able to cover. It’s just evolution!

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